The Dr. Jules Plant-Based Podcast
Hey, I’m Dr. Jules! I’m a medical doctor, teacher, nutritionist, naturopath, plant-based dad and 3X world championships qualified athlete. On this podcast we’ll discuss the latest in evidence-based and plant-based nutrition, including common nutrition myths, FAQs and tips on how to transition towards a healthier dietary pattern and lifestyle that creates little friction with your busy life!
The Dr. Jules Plant-Based Podcast
Plant Protein Quality
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Protein talk online has gotten weird fast: more scoops, more bars, more “high-protein” everything, with almost no attention to where that protein comes from. We take a calmer, evidence-based look at the question people ask most: where do you get your protein, and does the source actually change your health? The short version is simple. Your body uses amino acids, but it also responds to the entire food package that delivers them, and that package can push physiology toward protection or toward chronic disease.
We walk through what large population studies report when people shift protein intake toward plants. A major BMJ meta-analysis and other long-running cohorts repeatedly link higher plant-based protein intake with lower all-cause mortality and lower cardiovascular mortality, especially when plant protein replaces red meat and processed meat. That doesn’t mean plant protein is “magic” or animal protein is “poison.” It means small, realistic substitutions like beans in chili, lentils in soup, tofu in a stir-fry, or soy milk in oatmeal may add up over time, partly because they bring fiber, micronutrients, and phytochemicals while reducing saturated fat and highly processed meat exposure.
We also tackle the “incomplete protein” myth, explain why variety matters more than perfection, and talk honestly about athletic performance on a plant-predominant diet. We keep the science nuanced by acknowledging the limits of observational research, while still making the practical takeaways clear and doable.
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Season Three And The Big Question
SPEAKER_00Yo plant based buddies, welcome back to season three of the podcast. This year's gonna be amazing. We'll be talking about all of the different pillars of lifestyle medicine, from nutrition to exercise to stress to sleep and everything in between. Yo, plant-based buddies, welcome back to another episode of the podcast. Today we are going to be tackling one of the most common questions in nutrition. Where do you get your protein and does it matter where your protein comes from? Now, for years, most people have been focusing on protein quantity, but over the last decade, scientists have started asking questions about protein quality, and they've started putting into doubt the criteria we currently use to describe quality. Now, when we ask what happens when we change the source of protein, what happens when more of your protein comes from plants instead of animals? The answer is pretty fascinating. So when scientists look at huge populations, different different demographics from different countries over spans of many years, something consistent seems to happen. People who consume higher proportions of plant-based protein tend to live longer and experience lower rates of cardiovascular disease and of chronic diseases in general. Now, this doesn't mean that plant protein is miraculous, and it doesn't mean that animal protein is poison, and it doesn't mean that you should be eating 100% plant-based. And it doesn't mean that being plant-based means you're automatically healthy. But the data does strongly suggest that shifting your balance of protein towards more plant protein, especially when this protein is replacing processed meat and red meat, it improves long-term health outcomes. Now, if we look at the big picture, about 80% of protein in someone's diet is coming directly from animal sources, and about 20% is coming from plants.
Protein Is Not A Food
SPEAKER_00But today we'll break down what the research shows and why plant protein appears protective, why food context matters more than isolated protein grams, and we'll review the myth that plant protein is simply inferior or of lower quality, and then we'll end on practical ways to increase plant protein without being extreme, obsessive, or perfect. Because online, this topic is massively oversimplified, and protein has almost become a religion or a tribe on social media, and people now speak about protein as though more is always better, regardless of where it comes from. People are now putting protein in their water, and companies are selling high protein energy drinks or protein coffee. Biology is a lot more nuanced than just claiming that more protein is better. Now we need by we need to start by saying that protein is not a food. Protein is a macronutrient, and protein from lentils will behave differently than protein from bacon, and protein from tofu will behave differently than protein from processed deli meat. Now, your body recognizes amino acids, but your body can't say or tell the difference between amino acids that are coming from plants or coming from animals. But what your body does recognize is everything else that was packaged with the food consumed to provide dose proteins or dose amino acids. Now, some sources of protein will come packed with saturated fats, sodium, heme iron, advanced glycation end products, nitrates, nitrites, and other sources of protein will come packed with fiber, with polyphenols, with antioxidants and other phytochemicals. What really is important is the whole nutritional package.
What The Biggest Cohort Studies Show
SPEAKER_00So when researchers started comparing plant to animal protein and their patterns over time, there were important trends that emerged. And one of the largest and most influential papers on this topic was published in the BMJ in 2020. Researchers pulled together 32 prospective cohort studies that involved over 700,000 people. Now, over the span of that study, there were 113,000 deaths. Now, although that's very sad, that's also an enormous amount of data. And what that data revealed is extremely important. Now, it found that higher plant protein intake is associated with lower all-cause mortality and lower cardiovascular mortality. Now, even more interesting than that, every additional 3% of calories that are coming from plant protein was associated with about a 5% lower risk of death from all causes, the risk of dying from anything. Now, we're not talking about like a radical overhaul of your diet. This study wasn't about becoming 100% plant-based tomorrow. This study was about small substitution replacing a very small proportion of calories that you get from animal protein, replacing it with plant protein instead. And when researchers modeled replacing 3% of calories from animal protein with plant protein, they observed approximately like a 10% reduction in overall mortality risk. Now that's significant because it is highly achievable and realistic. And for some people, this could mean replacing some of the beef in their chili with a can of lentils, or throwing in some maybe some tofu in your stir fry, or swapping breakfast sausages for beans or soy milk instead of dairy milk in your smoothies or in your cereal or in your oatmeal. No, it's tiny shifts. And these tiny changes at a population level can have huge impacts.
Small Swaps That Move The Needle
SPEAKER_00And one of the most important details from that study is that the greatest benefits appeared when the plant protein was replacing red and processed meats specifically. Now that's a huge nuance missed online because people sometimes think that all animal foods are equally beneficial or equally harmful. But that's not the way the data works. Replacing processed meat with plant protein is especially beneficial. And honestly, that makes like complete biological sense. Processed meats are higher in sodium, saturated fat, nitrites, nitrates, advanced glycation end products, heme iron, and they contain zero fiber. But meanwhile, plant protein they come packaged with fiber, potassium, magnesium, polyphenols. They have lower calorie density, lower saturated fat, they have zero cholesterol. So you're not just swapping protein types, you're actually changing the entire environment, the entire nutritional content of a meal. Another major study published in JAMA, Internal Medicine, they followed more than 400,000 men and women over 16 years, and again they found the same thing, higher plant protein intake is associated with lower mortality. And one of the most interesting findings was that when plant protein was replacing specific animal proteins like red meat, processed meat, or even egg protein, that was associated with a meaningful reduction in mortality. Now, people online love extremes, either animal protein is killing anyone everyone, or plant protein is useless and is rabbit food, and no one can be healthy on a plant-based diet, but neither
Why Replacing Processed Meat Matters
SPEAKER_00statement really reflects reality. Now, protein quality is a lot more complicated than social media memes. And one criticism that you'll often hear online is that plant proteins are incomplete. Now, technically, some plant foods they do contain lower amounts of certain essential amino acids compared to animal foods. But this issue is wildly exaggerated online because the goal is not to consume all of your protein through one plant source. Now, this maybe could be an issue when dealing with food insecurity or in developing countries, but everyone listening to this podcast right now is not obtaining 100% of their protein through one food. And the the magic of a plant-based diet or of a plant-predominant diet, and even of an omnivorous diet, is variety. But if you're consuming enough calories and eat a variety of plant foods throughout the day, protein deficiency becomes exceptionally rare. All of these plant foods contain different combinations of amino acids. And if you eat a variety of foods, you will have an a pool, a wide variety in combination of amino acids circulating through your blood, and your body will pick and choose the amino acids it's it needs from that pool to create its protein. So this concept of plant proteins being incomplete is highly outdated, debunked, and only applies if you are eating one single food source as your source of protein. What we're actually seeing is the opposite problem. People are eating excess calories, excess protein,
The Incomplete Protein Myth Dies Here
SPEAKER_00excess ultra-processed foods, excess red meat, excess processed meats, and these are contributing to excess saturated fat and insufficient fiber. Those are the dominant drivers of chronic disease, not a lack of protein shakes or protein bars. Now, this doesn't mean that athletes should ignore protein intake. When I transitioned towards a plant-based diet, one of my worries was not being able to perform at the same level. Now, for people who have been following my journey for a while, I competed three times at the World Ninja Championships, and I am not protein deficient, and I actually perform better on a plant-based diet. But still, at the beginning, I did worry about protein intake because I wanted to recover and I wanted to maintain muscle and age gracefully and I wanted to fuel athletic performance. But the idea that you need massive massive amounts of animal protein to build muscle is simply false and not shown in the scientific literature. There are elite endurance athletes and powerlifters and bodybuilders and professional athletes that are thriving on predominantly plant-based diets. And when we look at studies that compare muscle gains between plant and animal proteins under controlled conditions, the differences become a lot smaller than social media suggests. Especially when total protein intake is adequate. But the real problem that people often have when transitioning to a plant-based diet is simply planning it. So, plant-based eaters who fail to prioritize protein-rich foods may struggle if they're not eating a wide variety of food. But that's a planning issue. It's not a biological issue. And honestly, a lot of omnivores have very poorly planned diets too. All diets can lead to deficiencies, regardless of what you name it, if it's not properly planned. Now, chicken nuggets and pepperoni pizza can contain protein, but they're not nutritionally healthy if most of your calories are built around them. So if you're like, okay, Jules, you've convinced me plant protein is healthier, I get it. And you're asking yourself why? Well, typically it means it's because the main differences in amino acid profiles that are blamed for plant-based proteins being of lower quality are literally the things that probably make them healthier. Now, plant proteins tend to contain lower levels of methionine, higher arginine, and different patterns of branch chain amino acids. Now, these differences in amino acid composition probably explains why those who get their proteins from plants have better, improved insulin sensitivity, lower insulin resistance, have endotelial function that is better, lower inflammation, lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol, lower cardiovascular risk, lower all-cause mortality.
Athletes And Muscle On Plant Protein
SPEAKER_00Now, plant protein intake is associated with better blood pressure, better metabolic health, better microbiome health. And again, this doesn't mean that plant protein is magic. It's the dietary pattern sustained over days, weeks, months, and years that determines health outcomes. But when plant protein intake increases, a lot of other things improve. People are eating more fiber, more legumes, more micronutrients, they're eating less processed meats, less saturated fat, they have a healthier gut microbiome. And that's why nutrition science is so difficult to decipher online, because people want a villain and influencers want to be the hero and they want to blame one nutrient, which is a form of what we call nutritional reductionism or nutritionism, but health outcomes they don't work that way. The overall dietary pattern is what matters the most. Now, honestly, I think that a lot of people fear plant protein because they associate plant-based eating with restriction, and they imagine eating a salad as depriving yourself. But increasing plant protein, it means adding more foods to your diet, not removing them. And my approach is always focus on what you're adding to your plate. Do not focus on restriction and simply look at the seven to ten meals that you're rotating every week or two, and just try to find a way to include more sources of plant protein to it. Now that could look like adding lentils to your chili or a can of black beans in the chili that normally contains red beat, maybe using chickpea pasta instead of white flour pasta or a tofuoster fry, black bean tacos, or a hummus wrap. Simple things that you can change. Now, these foods are filling, they're affordable, they're nutrient dense, and often, by default, they're incredibly high in fiber, something that most people severely lack. And I do think that fiber might be one of the biggest reasons why plant proteins and people who have higher intakes of it have improved health outcomes. Now, if tomorrow you decide to increase the amount of plant protein in your diet, you are automatically
Amino Acids Versus The Whole Package
SPEAKER_00increasing the amount of fiber, reducing the amount of saturated fat, of dietary cholesterol, you're improving satiety, blood sugar, blood cholesterol, microbiome health, inflammation, cold and cancer risk, and even all-cause mortality. That's that's really the importance here is to recognize that it's not just the protein, it's everything that's packaged with it. Now, that being said, it's also important to be intellectually honest. The studies that show the power of increasing the amount of plant protein in your diet, they're still observational, they cannot prove causation. Now, but we know that people who consume more plant protein also tend to prioritize their health more. They exercise more, they smoke less, they sleep better, they eat more fruits and veggies, and they're probably more health conscious overall. And researchers they try to adjust for these confounding variables statistically, but residual confounding always remains possible, and that's important to acknowledge. But when multiple large cohorts repeatedly point in the same direction and these findings align with known biological mechanisms, are reproduced in different demographics in different countries across time, they all converge towards the same conclusion. Well, then the evidence becomes impossible to ignore. And honestly, it simply fits with what we observe in the clinic too. Dietary patterns that are centered around whole plant foods, they consistently correlate with better metabolic health outcomes. Patients have lower LDL cholesterol, lower blood pressure, lower diabetes risk, lower obesity rates, and lower cardiovascular disease. It's not about being perfect, it's not about being immortal, it's simply about reducing your risk of all these diseases, and that's what lifestyle medicine is all about, about risk reduction. Every single meal you consume,
Observational Data And Real-World Nuance
SPEAKER_00it slightly nudges physiology in either the direction of disease or the direction of protection. And health is the accumulation of all these tiny daily decisions that you make every single day over weeks, months, and years. So practically, where does that leave us? Now, you do not need to eliminate animal foods to benefit from increasing plant protein. Even small shifts appear to be beneficial. So start with small additions like adding beans to your burritos or to your chili, considering soy milk instead of cow's milk in your oatmeal or in your smoothies, considering lentils in your soups or tofus in your stir fries, chickpeas in your salads. And think about progression instead of perfection and stop viewing protein through the narrow lens of quantity alone. Quality matters, and quality is much more complex than an amino acid profile. And a lot of people are now advocating to change the definition and the public perception of protein quality from amino acid profiles to the whole entire food package. Because the food context matters, your pattern matters over time, because the healthiest diets in the world they all share that one same theme. Whether we call it a Mediterranean diet, a mine diet, a DASH diet, a portfolio diet, a plant-based diet, or our Canadian food guide, all of the same principles apply. A high intake of minimally processed plant foods consumed in a state as close to the way Mother Nature created them, that pattern of eating again and again appears in populations that live longer, that live better. And not because plants are magical, but because biology responds predictably to nutrient density, to fiber, to calorie density, and to overall dietary patterns. When you shift protein intake towards more plants, and especially if you're replacing red and processed meats with plant protein, well the evidence simply suggests that your long-term health will improve. Start low, go slow, make small changes because these changes
Practical Additions And Closing Notes
SPEAKER_00will accumulate incrementally and exponentially over time. Focus on what you're adding instead of what you're restricting, and just make sure to have fun experimenting with new foods. Right on. Thanks for listening to the podcast. I hope you start by reflecting on ways you can increase the amount of plant protein in your diet, even small amounts of plant protein that are added to your normal diet will naturally crowd out unhealthy foods and will bring more fiber, more phytonutrients, less saturated fat, and all of the things that a plant protein package brings. Right on. Thanks so much for listening to the podcast. We'll catch you at the next episode. Peace.com to find free downloadable resources. And remember that you can find me on Facebook and Instagram at Dr.JulesCormier and on YouTube at PlantbaseDoctorJules.